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« on: September 14, 2008, 06:23:22 pm »

Post your complaints for Round 2 in here
but not later than 2 hours after the last driver has crossed the finish line.

Tell us what happened, where, what lap, which driver/ drivers, and so on.

Complaints:
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acr| allanD44 complaint about #99 - R.Kööts

About the lag. I can see that in my replay too.
Lap 1 There was no chance for acr| allanD44 to avoid the crash with #99 - R.Kööts because of the lag.
Lap 2 In front of the hairpin turn. #99 - R.Kööts was all the time 100% on the brakes.
He braked there to late and the same in the last turn of the same lap.
I can't tell if that was really a revenge foul or just missjudgement of the braking zones.
I believe it was more poor driving then intentional hitting and because no big damage was done nor was a position lost I first thought a warning should be enough BUT
he also used the honk after all that when driving behind you, to put some pressure on you imo,
for all that and together with the action between him and [PM] Ant he will get a warning and a +10 seconds penalty.
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ATC Dadge complaint about Ben-GB-

Next to this complaint
Lap 25 not letting [Fluid] M.Biaggi pass asap and honking
Touching with ATC Dadge ignoring the blue flags
and disturbing the fight for positions between [Fluid] M.Biaggi and ATC Dadge

I saw several others situations:
- honking in lap 2 after touching ATC gAg
- honking in lap 2 when 5 - R.Ziugand passed him
- continuously honking for 5 !!! seconds after NightFly''' touched him.
- and again honking in lap8
- not giving way to the leader FLP/r Jouman asap when blue flagged and honking when he passed him
- then honking again when FLP/r Jouman passed him the 2nd time and again some turns later
- touching with Elderado when he passed him on the straight and then again honking
- then touching with Elderado in the hairpin and again honking

All these things let me think that Ben-GB- is either not ready for such a league,
didn't read the rules, didn't accepted or forgot the warning he got after Round 1,
just don't know how to handle such situations or simply don't understand that such a league is not pickup racing.

Because of all these things I feel compelled to give the following penalty:
Ben-GB- gets a one race ban

I have some more to say but will do that via PM to Ben-GB-
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CR|Danowat complaint about Mikael Larsen
Lap1 T1 (some say T2 Wink ) unnecessary contact with [PM] J.Ward
It was only a small touch and then the chain reaction followed.
It was too agressive and unnecessary.
Therefore a warning will be given to Mikael Larsen
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[PM] Ant complaint about Dennis Lind
Lap 1 T1 unnecessary contact with [Fluid] M.Biaggi
It was also only a small touch and then the chain reaction started.
It was a bit too agressive and not necessary.
Therefore Dennis Lind will also get a warning for the next race.
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[PM] Ant complaint about #99 - R.Kööts
As you were still behind him the blocking move was correct
you shouldn't try to bumpdraft him after that causing him to almost loose control.
He shouldn't honk at you after that.

The next touch in front of the hairpin was unlucky. I think you was in his blind spot.
So he didn't really saw you. When leaving the hairpin he should have given you a bit more room.
Live and let live should always be the motto.

On the straight driving towards the last turn #99 - R.Kööts was driving way to long in "the middle of the road"
to block [PM] Ant who was already next to him. This caused in the end the light touch and the usual LFS problem (small touch - big spin). There was no reason to try to defend the last turn with such an unusual line for so long when [PM] Ant was already next to #99 - R.Kööts. The touch and crash that followed was unlucky but I think not
intentional.

As we didn't had any problems with #99 - R.Kööts in the first Round he will be given a warning for the next race. 
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Here are the
Penalties for Round 2:

#99 - R.Kööts
- A warning for the next race and +10 seconds (explained above)

Ben-GB-
- 1 race ban (explained above)

[PM] HASSE pitted in LAP 3 but the Pit-Window was from lap 4 till lap 23
- No pit stop was done inside the pit window: +30 seconds
Pit-Window was from lap 4 till lap 23

acr| allanD44 pitted in LAP 3 but the Pit-Window was from lap 4 till lap 23   
- No pit stop was done inside the pit window: +30 seconds

T7R| SparkyDave crossed the yellow line when when entering the pits end of Lap 4
- Crossing the yellow line on pit entry or pit exit: +15 seconds

[PM] Ant crossed the yellow line when when entering the pits end of Lap 5
- Crossing the yellow line on pit entry or pit exit: +15 seconds

The following drivers didn't wait with the chat till the last drivers finished:
NightFly''' +10 seconds
-   No chatting during the race!
Wait with the chatting till the last driver has finished his race
- Chatting during the race: +10 seconds (for every line you wrote)

[PM] J.Ward  +20 seconds
-   No chatting during the race!
Wait with the chatting till the last driver has finished his race
- Chatting during the race: +10 seconds (for every line you wrote)

GreyBull [CHA] +10 seconds
-   No chatting during the race!
Wait with the chatting till the last driver has finished his race
- Chatting during the race: +10 seconds (for every line you wrote)

ATC gAg: +10 seconds
-   No chatting during the race!
Wait with the chatting till the last driver has finished his race
- Chatting during the race: +10 seconds (for every line you wrote)

Dennis Lind +10 seconds
-   No chatting during the race!
Wait with the chatting till the last driver has finished his race
- Chatting during the race: +10 seconds (for every line you wrote)

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Warnings:
THAT MEANS BE 100% more careful in the next race
or simply don't do it again.

5 - R.Ziugand DNF
but did not obey the pitline rules when entering the pits end of Lap 4
and tried to drive again after using shift+p in the qualifying
- Obey the yellow pit entry and exit lines. Do not cross them!
- If you use “SHIFT+P” to pit:  Your qualification is over.

#99 - R.Kööts
Agressive driving which led to unnecessary contact with acr| allanD44 (2 times)
and for defending a lost position way to hard against [PM] Ant.

ATC Dadge for using the honk to protest and make Ben-GB- use his mirrors when lapping him.
- Do not honk during the qualifying or race.

Mikael Larsen
For unnecessary contact with [PM] J.Ward in T1 of lap 1
which led to the crash between [PM] J.Ward and #99 - R.Kööts
Such kind of dive bomb passing manoeuvre will usually results in a crash
So please be more carful next time especially in T1

Dennis Lind for continuously honking in front of the finish line (last lap)
- Do not honk during the qualifying or race.
For unnecessary contact with [Fluid] M.Biaggi in T1 of lap 1
Such kind of passing manoeuvre will usually end in touching someone.
So please be more carful next time

T7R| BBO
For unnecessary contact with T7R|Exodus in T1 of lap 2 which caused a spin and the crash of ATC gAg
and for a to agressive passing move which led to unnecessary contact with CR|Danowat in T2 of lap 21
You should have known better
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« Last Edit: September 15, 2008, 08:14:34 pm by BBO » Logged

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2008, 10:08:46 pm »

Tough start.
I want to complaint racer #99 R.KÖÖts
He lagged between T2 and T3 (Have replay to proove that) and I accidently hit him, when he showed up again, about the 50 m sign.

On lap two he rams me. Its is clearly a revenge. (and again on lap three, but I will only complain about lap two.)

The first three turns was bad driven by a lot of people - Very bad indeed Sad

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#99 R.KÖÖts honks at me twice on the third lap - Is that allowed ?
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2008, 10:11:37 pm »

Ben, last few laps. ignoring the blue flag completely. this cost m.biaggai 4 seconds to me and nearly his position. on T2 (90° right) he didn't yeild to m.biaggai and thus giving me the run to pass both him and max. on T3 i was on his inside which he could clearly see only to be shunted. i gave him a short blast of my horn in protest to which he blasted back.
after the race he told me to "get over yourself, you finished 3rd". this cannot be allowed in a league where everyone is putting in alot of time to practice for. only to let some fool wreck it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2008, 10:18:58 pm »

Mikkel Larsen, aggresively came up the inside off T2 on the laglap, then proceeded to do the same on the real restart, causing a couple of drivers, jwardy I think, to spin off and crash.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2008, 10:32:19 pm »

Lap 1, 1st corner - Lind brakes way to late on cold tyres & knocks into Biaggi to make the pass. This had knock effects for me & others. Lind just carries on like nothing happened. (this isn't CTRA)

Lap 7 - I come up behind Koots who is at the back of a group he goes wide & clips a wall then he swerves back across the track to block me. Slight contact up the hill, then as I try to go around the other side he swerves across again. I brake & narrowly avoid being taken out. Then we go down to the hairpin I get up the inside up the hill & pull along side. As we come down to the last corner he starts moving off the racing again trying to block. He keeps pushing left untill we are touching then small lag & *BOOM* big accident my race is effectively over. ADMIN EDIT: ***** "Please no personal insults"

BBO I like this league & have had fun races against you guys for many seasons. I really dont think you should let any tom dick or harry join the series at any point. Most of the very slow qualifiers were involved in crashes & ruined long time league members races. Sad  Please can we have some sort of vetting maybe a 103% rule or something?
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2008, 10:34:07 pm »


after the race he told me to "get over yourself, you finished 3rd". this cannot be allowed in a league where everyone is putting in alot of time to practice for. only to let some fool wreck it.

if i could put a complaint, on behavior on the server after race i would've done that, he really being a pain, i dont even think he know what the blue flag means... - he was being very unrespect full.
i noticed that Dadge told him that he has to move over when he had a blue flag, he just returned with; w.e (Whatever)...
this was pretty much ticking me off. didnt say anything to him, but its annoying, i dont think he has enough experience with LFS really.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2008, 10:39:50 pm »

Lap 1, 1st corner - Lind brakes way to late on cold tyres & knocks into Biaggi to make the pass. This had knock effects for me & others. Lind just carries on like nothing happened. (this isn't CTRA)

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did realise this slowed you down, but i did let biaggi pass me back since it was him i hitted. but yea. sorry for ramming max into you, i guess.
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 12:39:58 am »

@ Dennis

Your right you didnt crash into me but you did take my position off me with an illegal overtake. I did not realise you let Biaggi back past but all being fair you would of returned to where you were before you made that late & some what clumsy dive down the inside. I know your better than that.
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 01:21:54 am »

Small update
Already finished then usual pitline rules violations (this time only 4 drivers)
I'm still working on the complaints that have been made here.



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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008, 01:43:06 pm »

Updated 1st post
ALL complaints processed
and penalties and warnings are given

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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 07:45:10 pm »

i accept my warning for using the horn. but in my defense, i think everyone would of done the same as i did. it was obvious ben was not looking in his mirrors so i honked him instinctivley so he could hear that he was braking the rules. i usually use my lights to signal to the lappee my intentions but this clown has a competetive streak (his words) that makes him ignore blue flags.
after watching the replay my concerns about ben have only increased as from what i saw he also tried to take a tighter line through the chicane complex in an effort to spin me out (again). his driving abillity is equal to his attitude............... sub-amature.
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2008, 07:48:23 pm »

Warning accepted!

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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2008, 08:23:33 pm »

Updated 1st post again

I accept my warning aswell.
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2008, 10:37:54 pm »

LOL  laughing7  notworthy  icon_thumleft
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2008, 08:07:37 pm »

i wonz not accept my warning /me runs



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